1. An eternally frustrated, thwarted, unhappy god? V. doubtful.

    With regard to the notion that God wants reprobates (the non-elect) turning to him in faith, he either (a) commands what he doesn’t want, or (b) he wants what he hasn’t decreed.

    Since the Scriptures are clear that God does not will/ want the salvation of the non-elect, his commands for men to repent and believe cannot be based on any desire in him for the reprobate to do so.

    Thank you,
    Hugh McCann

    • drgonz985


      (1) Which of the Reformed authors I cite above says anything about “an eternally frustrated, thwarted, unhappy god”? Not one of them. Nor do I suggest such a ridiculous notion.

      (2) The best one might infer from the authors I cite or from my introductory paragraph is that God himself freely chooses not to actuate certain states of affairs he finds intrinsically virtuous and desirable when viewed in isolation from his more ultimate objectives.

      (3) God’s commands are a reflection of his moral character. That beings created as his image should conform to his moral character is an objective that God must in some sense be inclined toward, i.e., desire. Otherwise he is not the holy, good, and just God of Scripture.

      (4) For more on the two points above, click here.

      (5) You claim that “the Scriptures are clear that God does not will/want the salvation of the non-elect.” While it’s true enough that God for reasons known to himself does not (by definition) decree the salvation of the non-chosen, it is patently false to assert that God does not (in any sense) will or want it. In addition to the text I allude to in the introduction (Deuteronomy 5:29) see Romans 2:1-5.


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